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Ladies and Gentiles: Today, in the squared circle... Actually, considering the two contestants, it's more a dance-off.

Both of these characters are refugees from the early '80s; one is a Disco Queen who came out while Disco's corpse was beginning to moulder, the other a breakdancing Latino mutant gang leader, which was just a bad idea in the first place.

Dazzler has a particularly interesting heritage. Apparently she'd been developed as a 'crossover media commodity' by Casablanca Records (you can't spell "Casablanca Records" without "coke and whores". Okay, you can, but it's much less fun) and Marvel. The writers at Marvel, not being dummies, decided they didn't want to do anything with it, until Shooter put his big shoe down. So was born Dazzler (and not her original name, "The Disco Queen"). She launched in the X-Men and, after nearly having her book cancelled before it was even released, she went on to be an existing part of the Marvel Universe, and has probably slept with Tony Stark, because that's how he rolls.

Still, she at least had more dignity than Vibe. Vibe was a member of Justice League Detroit, a dark time indeed for these noble heroes. Vibe was joined by Steel, a Legacy Hero with a huge unit, Gypsy, an invisible thief (ohhh, classy) and Aquaman, who was rendered powerless because swimming in Lake Erie would kill him, just like any other carbon based lifeform. Lovingly known as SJL ("Shitty Justice League"), they fought ennui and revulsion, unsuccessfully. Eventually, DC editorial sobered up, and they were all killed.

Occasionally, a writer will write a story dealing with Vibe's rich internal monolugue, and be laughed at by everyone in the world.

So! Who will reign supreme beneath the disco ball?

[Poll #1042835]
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
Of the new members, only Steel II and Vibe were killed. Both Gypsy and Vixen survived. Vixen joined the Suicide Squad as one of their legit metas to keep an eye on the crooks and I am not sure what Gypsy did, aside from getting attacked by Despero in a later story (which she also survived, which is more than can be said for her parents).

Steel was kind of an odd case, because he is shown being killed twice: once after the Ivo attack, he is declared beyond saving and his life support is shut off. Then years later Despero finds him still on life support and tears him apart. For all we know, his head is still stuck in a box somewhere, awaiting the genius of a Professor Calder or Brainiac 5.

From: [identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com
Isn't that the WWII Commander/Citizen Steel?

And that's not a penis; it's where he keeps his old severed leg.
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
A cousin of Steel II, I think.

In his case, invulnerability came with reduced sensory feedback via touch, which makes using his super-strength interesting.

Frankly, I find the smooth crotches of most male superheroes somewhat disturbing, unless superpowers also include the ability to withdraw one's package up into the body.

Actually, that's probably a very useful power if you are going to be fighting Steel Toed Boot to the Crotch Man or Jets of Plasma Aimed at Your Groin Woman.
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
I'm so ashamed to know this.

The original Steel got killed fighting Eclipso in the early 1990s. This Steel is yet another kid from the same extended family, who suffered an origin as a consequence of one of Vandal Savage's schemes.

Date: 2007-08-21 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tfbretz.livejournal.com
It's like asking me to choose between two children. Someone else's children.
From: [identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com
That last I knew; I've been following JSA.

What is it with obscure WWII mystery men? They bred like rabbits!
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
Well, Steel I is a product of 1970s nostalgia about the Golden Age but in general there were a crap load of comics titles back in the 1930s and 1940s (until the paper crunch hit, anyway), leaving lots of minor characters for reuse decades later.

Someone, I can't recall who, had the golden age and silver age Daredevils comparing abilities, somewhat like so:

Daredevil (GA): I have a neat costume!

Daredevil (SA): I know acrobatics!

D(GA): I have a gun!

D(SA): I have radar-senses!

D(GA): I can sell five million copies a month!

D(SA): ...

D(SA): Did I mention that I have radar senses?

Date: 2007-08-21 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rbowspryte.livejournal.com
For a while there Dazzler seemed to just be there as an accessory for the other X-men. She was first with Longshot then Gambit...she seemed to serve no role but to be passed around for a few years IMO.

Date: 2007-08-21 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viktor-haag.livejournal.com
exACTly; everyone knows that the correct choice was Thor. And those 2 lonely people who chose Spawn were wrong.

Date: 2007-08-21 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viktor-haag.livejournal.com
Dazzler, not because she's more powerful or a good character idea. Mostly because she's just less dead.

Date: 2007-08-21 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com
Well, she WAS a child of disco.
From: [identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com
Sure, but still, jeez! Did their squeaky-clean adventures mean all their sexual energy was pent up?

...I just went to a disturbing place. What if the idea of the Silver Age Flash, that the heroes of the Golden Age were comic book characters on Earth-1, was true but that their ENTIRE lives were depicted in comic books, and we only found the heroic parts?

Date: 2007-08-21 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thetathx1138.livejournal.com
Unless you're a Marvel Zombie.

Date: 2007-08-21 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] monsura.livejournal.com
I liked Vibe.

Yep, I'm the one. ;-)

*shrugs*

Date: 2007-08-21 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] creativedv8tion.livejournal.com

I'm willing to bet the two who voted Spawn did so to keep it from being a shut-out.

Date: 2007-08-21 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] creativedv8tion.livejournal.com

She was with Beast, too. And some overweight actor. And...

well, you get the idea.

Date: 2007-08-22 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angusabranson.livejournal.com
I was a massive Dazzler fan for some reason. I have her entire run of solo comics (52 issues or something?) as well as X-Men appearences.

Date: 2007-08-23 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crashing-angel.livejournal.com
When in doubt, go DC.
And I thought he looked somewhat cool in JLU.

Date: 2007-08-23 01:42 am (UTC)

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